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TOPIC: timing of pms

timing of pms 01 Feb 2010 19:36 #3987

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I have noticed that my pms doesn't start getting really bad until I actually get my period. I notice changes in mood/energy level a few days before and then the night before my period, I get insomnia and that's the beginning of it. It tapers off towards the end of my period, but I don't start feeling good again until the second week of my folicular and I actually feel best the first week of my luteal. I know this isn't common, but is it something to be concerned about? I wish my symptoms only lasted the few days before my period and then disappeared after, but I am hoping to have less symptoms with this diet.

timing of pms 01 Feb 2010 20:13 #3988

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Well, it's not that uncommon to feel worse during menses and then gradually get better.

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1) Are you taking an SSRI? Sometimes I wonder about how they affect levels of low hormone.

2) Have you considered a gluten intolerance that might unmask during the late luteal phase. Some would call it  leaky gut syndrome? Do you also get digestive issues with the period? Having a period takes a lot of energy. Are you giving into your food cravings? Eat more bread, sugar, dairy?

Have we spoken on the phone? I don't remember your situation. Can you give me a little more description of your symptoms?

Low energy...could be thyroid, low B vitamins, adrenal fatigue, many, many things.

timing of pms 01 Feb 2010 20:56 #3989

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Hi Debra - We haven't spoken on the phone - I have only purchased the workbook.

I'm not on an SSRI. I do have depression and anxiety with my period, though, but it is typically just during the few days before and the week of. I also have irritability and insomnia. And my periods always tend to be worse in the winter. I had my vit. D checked back in the summer and it was at 34, so I am wondering if it doesn't get too low in the winter? I take a store brand calcium plus vit. D three times a day, but would it be worth getting the vit. D checked again or changing brands?

I have only been having periods since Septemeber - I had a Mirena IUD put in after my last pregnancy which gave me terrible PMS symptoms round the clock and no periods, so I had it taken out. I am wondering if my body is still trying to adjust from that.

I haven't considered gluten, though I have started to cut back since I discovered I am sensitive to dairy and learned that those two can be connected. I can't pinpoint major digestive issues, but I get pretty bloated before and during my period. I rarely eat any dairy anymore, but do occasionally have gluten. 

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Okay, good to know.

Gluten can effect everyone in very different ways. Is there anyone in your family with an autoimmune disease or condition? See this list if you don't know what diseases are autoimmune.

YES, please get your vitamin D levels taken again. 34 ng/ml is considered low normal but during the summer it should definitely be much higher. So chances are if you're not taking at least 2,000 IU's of D3 per day in the winter...you're probably very low by now. If your doctor won't test again you might want to check this website out:

I always like to see women get tested for gluten sensitivity or rule out Celiac disease before they take gluten out of their diets. If you have a good relationship with your doctor ask for the Celiac Panel or even just the tTG or AGA antigliadin antibody test. You can also order the stool test through www.enterolab.com without a doctor's order. It does not give you a Celiac diagnosis but rather lets you know you are reacting to gluten and developing antigliadin antibodies inside the GI tract. Reading through the website is a bit on the technical side but try reading the FAQ's

You can always remove gluten from your diet for no more than a week or two to see if you notice a difference. Then do a gluten challenge and see if you notice a reaction either with a dark mood or digestive problems.

I sometimes add the gluten-free menu plan in with the origianl workbook. Did I include it with yours?

timing of pms 01 Feb 2010 22:49 #3991

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Ok - I will definitely get the D checked again and ask about the Celiac panel and/or try the gluten challenge.

My grandfather died of ALS which I believe is an autoimmume disease? I don't know if he had any gluten problems - he died when my mother was very young and we don't have a lot of information on him (my mother has also passed away). I didn't realize that could be tied back to diet.

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Oh - also I didn't get the gluten diet - the one I ordered was the weightloss plan.

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Okay,

New research is showing some possible connection between ALS and Celiac/gluten sensitivity. see this abstract article   and this article from NatureI 've been seeing the gluten-free diet recommended for new ALS patients lately. I would definately get tested first before removing gluten from the diet. You must be consuming gluten in order for serum blood tests to work properly. Gluten is also known to have a non-digestive neurological consequence.

I offer additional help on-line for my clients with the gluten-free diet which includes the gluten-free workbook, but with your family history it would be a very good idea to go through the regular channels first to rule out Celiac disease. However, just because you test negative for Celiac does not mean you are not still reacting to gluten. That's where the stool test comes in very handy. If you are gluten sensitive and remove it ASAP, you may actually prevent the possibility of developing an underlying autoimmune disease or worse.... ALS.

I believe PMS/PMDD which becomes progressively worse over time is a red flag to an underlying autoimmune disease. YES, diet may be your salvation anyway you want to look at it.

timing of pms 02 Feb 2010 12:44 #3994

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I am making an appointment today to go see my doctor and do the celiac and vit. D test. And then the stool test if need be. And you what's interesting about what you said about how a gluten reaction can present itself differently than the typical intestinal issues - I found out I have dairy issues because I was having arthritis-type pain in the joints of my hands - so bad I couldn't lift a pot off the stove. I also had constant nasal congestion. I read somewhere that a dairy intolerance could be the cause, so I tried it and I haven't had had any pain anymore. So, it'll be interesting to see what happens and if gluten could be doing anything. Will definitely be worth finding that out sooner rather later when it could mean more serious problems.

Thank you so much for all the extra help and advice! I really appreciate it.

Susan

timing of pms 02 Feb 2010 13:15 #3995

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You are very welcome,

Please let me know how things go with your results. One other test you may ask your doctor about is the ANA or the anti nuclear antibody test. It's one of the main tests for autoimmune disease. You can google it for more information.  My husband also developed joint pain in his hands...early Rheumatoid arthritis. He's been gluten-free for 6 months now with no more pain in his hands. He had other digestive issues too that also cleared up. Dairy can be as bad as gluten in some people, if you go through enterolab be sure to also order the casein tests too. If you are reacting to casein you will need to learn about hidden dairy as well as hidden gluten.

Good luck and please let me know if you need anything.

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Hi  Debra - just an update. I got my Vit D test back and it was 46, so I guess the supplements I'm taking are helping. I also got a normal reading on celiac - TTG was less than 3 and IGA was 219. I still wonder if it would show up on the stool test though. I am having the pain in my hands again, but I know I have let some dairy slip back into my diet unwittingly. The ANA was normal - no rheumatoid. I don't know what kind of test would detect what is causing the aching in my hands, though. Perhaps an inflammation specialist? Just wondered if you think there is call to investigate that further.

Also, PMS was much better this month w/ the diet, though I still had some irritability. I'm under some stress right now, so maybe that is the cause and not the diet because I have stuck pretty closely to it this month. I've had less depression and better sleep, though, which was great!
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